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Laszlo Systems' OpenLaszlo Platform Ushers in a "Digital Life" Application Suite
"Unadorned DHTML" Was Never Going to Be Enough, Founder & CTO David Temkin Explains

See David Temkin in the 'Real-World AJAX' (San Jose) "AJAX Power Panel"

When, in April 2004, Laszlo Systems founder David Temkin (pictured) started up his blog, he devoted his very first posts to explaining the difference between Laszlo and the new Flex server - from what was then Macromedia.

"Laszlo has been getting a lot of attention for its product of late, thanks in part to Macromedia's Monday announcement of its Flex presentation server," (Temkin was writing April 2, 2004).

He continued:

"I thought I'd use my first blog entry to set some context around Laszlo, and explain how, in contrast to Flex, Laszlo offers a complete, self-contained platform for creating rich Internet applications (RIAs)."


David Temkin during his televised "Real-Wolrd AJAX" Power Panel discussion, with Jesse James Garrett

Temkin then went on to "position" Laszlo Systems itself in the overall i-Technology space: "As a company, Laszlo is totally focused on RIAs. We are not about designer tools; we are not about animation and advertising. We think the Web is on the verge of a sea change, with the dual drivers of broadband and Web services, and we see an XML-based framework for RIAs as essential to this transition.

Since late 2000, Laszlo has been single-mindedly focused on delivering a rationalized platform for high-quality interactivity on the open Web. We devised a platform for doing this that incorporates a J2EE-based presentation server, an XML language (LZX) for specifying the application's layout, look, behavior, and data binding; and a server-based compiler which compiles the XML source into a format which works in just about every Web browser today.

At the time, the obvious choice for our client target would have been Java. But that wouldn't have delivered the ubiquity that customers need. So, instead, we chose to target the Flash 5 (and later) player from Macromedia. The player is ubiquitously distributed and it has reliable rendering and strong cross-platform compatibility."


"Real-World AJAX" power panelists after the event which was streamed by more than 17,000 viewers

This cross-platform aspect was what mattered most to Temkin then, and still matters most today, two years on.

It took only 18 months for Temkin's company to go live with a real, complex application built on its OpenLaszlo platform: Laszlo Mail. Though the application itself wasn't open source, parts of it were contributed to the OpenLaszlo project.

OpenLaszlo, now in its third release, is an open source platform for developing Web applications that are as feature-rich and robust as traditional client-based programs yet do not require the installation of any new software. Worldwide adoption of the platform spans virtually all market sectors -- including enterprise, government, education and business-to-consumer.

OpenLaszlo has also been the basis of several strategic partnerships for the Company, including one with IBM involving the development of an integrated development environment (IDE) for Laszlo, which has been jointly contributed to the Eclipse Foundation.

Laszlo very recently revealed that by the end of this year developers using OpenLaszlo will have the option to deploy their applications in Dynamic HTML (DHTML), in addition to the Flash runtime option that is currently available. Also, under a new agreement between Laszlo and the Dojo Foundation, the Dojo Toolkit will be licensed for use in Laszlo's open source projects and Laszlo, in turn, will contribute libraries to the Dojo Foundation.

"We are pleased that Laszlo is so actively supporting non-proprietary development solutions and establishing their commitment to the future of Ajax, as evidenced by today's announcement," said Alex Russell, co-founder of the Dojo Toolkit. "We're looking forward to working together on Laszlo's DHTML runtime now, and also towards a more integrated Ajax solution for Web application developers in the future."

Let's give the last word to David Temkin.

"This is what open source is all about," he said: 

"Combining communities and resources in order to enable a better solution and foster lasting change. We're excited to add Dojo to our growing list of supporters and couldn't ask for a better partner as we continue to broaden OpenLaszlo's unified runtimes and development capabilities."

Both Laszlo and Dojo are founding members of the Open Ajax technology collaboration, which they established along with industry titans IBM, Oracle, BEA, RedHat, Yahoo!, Google and others earlier this year.

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YOUR FEEDBACK
Jeff McCabe wrote: As far as Flash goes... I've been thoroughly disappointed with Adobe since the purchase of Macromedia's wonderful software. With all of these new versions, features, and security protocols, it has become a dead-end app. The entire point of the prgm was to be able to deliver high-end apps over the web with maximum compatibility. Now, with the advent of the latest security protocols, it is nearly impossible to give users access to websites that communicate internally with flash applications. I can't embed a flash app on my organization's webpage because only high-end users will know what to do when the software prompts them to add a URL in their "sandbox." Bah! to Adobe for spoiling good software. Hooray for marketing for stepping up ColdFusion as a solution, though. Which brings me back to Bah! to pricing schemes. I guess that's how Adobe is funding their MM purchase?
anonymous wrote: We have an AJAX app used by 55,000 corporate users all over the world. Never had a problem with Javascript support. Works great.
Michael Avrukin wrote: Have you looked at the SpryFramework from Adobe? It addresses some of the issues you've brought up http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/
Jeff McCabe wrote: I agree that these issues need to be addressed. I think everyone is just waiting for the next person to think of a solution to these issues.
Jeff McCabe wrote: I agree that these issues need to be addressed. I think everyone is just waiting for the next person to think of a solution to these issues.
Shahzad Badar wrote: I think Mr Coach Wei would be right for his points but as he mentioned that 10% browsers stopped javasscript support then why for 10% we should ignore 90%.and if AJAX got attention 10% will be forced to add javascript support as happened with java. second, i think AJAX is going to be matured day by day so developer cummunity will be trying to create such functionalities through AJAX and I think its not a big deed.
Ivan Handler wrote: As someone responsible for creating business applications for state government, I don't see these problems as significant. Many of our applications go through offices where we either control the technology or can specify the requirements for users who wish access to our applications. Making sure javascript is turned on is a fairly mild requirement as is IE 6.0+, FF 1.5+, etc. I think the problems may be more significant for those trying to write pages that are somehow "universal." I am not very sympathetic to this in the first place since the web is already too big to allow for anything approaching that anyway. This is where it is important to know your market, understand how to serve the largest segment you can. There are many people who are going to limit their browsers for a variety of reasons. Accept it and move on. If what becomes available via Ajax (such as all of the G...
obinna kalu wrote: Here is my thought about the first "big" issue raised in this article, that AJAX adopters need to worry about. Firstly, permit me to say the issue does not count as a BIG issue. oh Yes, it is something to consider when choosing to implement an AJAX-style web application. However, it isn't that much of a big issue that should greatly influence the decision whether to do AJAX or not. It is like thinking that, since some % of people do not have computers or internet access then businesses should not bother putting-up e-commerce systems. oh no, sir. Any web app today that is worth spending a dime on, will be doing a deservice to its users if it is not AJAX-style or similar technique (i.e. any that sends across as much client-side code as possible/reasonable - java applet, java app delivered via jumpstart, adobe flex, laszlo etc) and is still doing the old click-and-wait-for-whole-page-reload...
Tal Cohen wrote: The 10% number is entirely not credible. Practically all visitors of that site (w3schools) are developers, who are advanced users that know how to turn off JS by default and enable it selectively where needed (esp. with FireFox extensions that make it trivial). Note that the same stats page specifies that 1 in 4 users browses with FireFox -- how credible is that!?
Tal Cohen wrote: The 10% number is entirely not credible. Practically all visitors of that site (w3schools) are developers, who are advanced users that know how to turn off JS by default and enable it selectively where needed (esp. with FireFox extensions that make it trivial). Note that the same stats page specifies that 1 in 4 users browses with FireFox -- how credible is that!?
Tal Cohen wrote: The 10% number is entirely not credible. Practically all visitors of that site (w3schools) are developers, who are advanced users that know how to turn off JS by default and enable it selectively where needed (esp. with FireFox extensions that make it trivial). Note that the same stats page specifies that 1 in 4 users browses with FireFox -- how credible is that!?
Will Merydith wrote: Your whole issue is wrapped around the 10% that have Javascript turned off? That not number is insignificant in terms of hindering adoption.
Paul Davis wrote: I find it ironic that "10%" of people can turn off JavaScript, but the population as a whole can't figure out how to install a Flash plugin (which is freaking automatic...) because "Techies can do it but i doubt normal computer users will be able to do that" - I hardly think those normal people can turn off JavaScript or even know where/how/what to do to do so. Either it is someone who has a disability and JS simply makes it impossible for them to access the web - or it is corporate IT or it is paranoid throwbacks from early web day geeks. Beyond the accessability issue, it doesn't matter. As for making it accessable, preplanning can do that and it isn't that difficult. Both of your issues aren't relevant enough to pull back on Ajax, especially the 10% turned off javascript line, it is like a sure sign you're position is lacking any real meat.
Robert McDaniels wrote: "Flash is probably somewhere 80%-90% coverage out of box." Do you have any facts or references that support this? "the marketing message from Adobe about 'Flash covers 97% browsers' is not credible, given that no new PC, or browser, comes with Flash" Flash downloads are driven by content. Many of the most popular sites on the web (Google Video, YouTube, etc.) offer Flash content that drives downloads. "you have to download and install Flash on your own. Techies can do it but i doubt normal computer users will be able to do that" The Flash install is approx 1MB, a non-issue for even dial-up users. The install takes place right in the browser in seconds. Some IE users may have to enable ActiveX controls (which the browser prompts them to do). There is nothing technical about installing Flash. Even the authors unsupported estimates of an install base support that it is no problem for...
Derrick wrote: I disagree. Don't worry about the 10% that have JavaScript turned off. Just keep producing compelling new RIA web apps that require AJAX. You got to make the slackers feel like they're being left behind at the train station. That's the only way they'll ever get around to enabling JavaScript and joining the 21st century.
John Stone wrote: Learn English first, then write an editorial.
Agile Ajax wrote: Trackback Added: AJAX and the Network Effect; Via Ajaxian, Coach Wei over at AjaxWorld Magazine has an article expressing reservations about AJAX and what might hinder it's adoption: 1. 10% browsers have Javascript support turned off (see statistics at http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp). It means that 10% users can not
Agile Ajax wrote: Trackback Added: AJAX and the Network Effect; Via Ajaxian, Coach Wei over at AjaxWorld Magazine has an article expressing reservations about AJAX and what might hinder it's adoption: 1. 10% browsers have Javascript support turned off (see statistics at http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp). It means that 10% users can not
Rajgopal wrote: The single biggest problem that preventing wide spread Ajax adoption is lack of simple and complete solutions to build Ajax or Rich Internet applications. This webpage makes fun of the situation and proposes a simple solution. http://www.cbsdf.com/ps_blog/why-other-frameworks.htm http://www.cbsdf.com/technologies/DHTML-Widgets/Widget-samples.htm What do you think?
Becky Gibson wrote: There is work going on the make the Dojo widgets accessible. The Dynamic Web Content Accessibility Techniques (http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/#roadmap) which provide full keyboard and screen reader support are being applied to the widgets.
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